I can watch everything that Im saying and doing, but its like I cant do anything about it and I dont know whats going to happen next. It all seems very muddled. Does everyone need to take turns going to your shared job, or are only one or a few people going to take care of that while others take care of cooking and cleaning at home? You might hear voices, such as voices arguing or commenting on your actions. i just don't have it in me anymore. I havent read about this before but it has to be so that everyone is different. Set ground rules for your system. A life filled with pain every day, pain to bring me to my knees and wish to die. Well, a support friend, who has seen my struggles the past 2 years, sent me a link to a DID/DDNOS zoom conference last weekend, full of Survivors, Scientists, and Therapists who specialize in Dissociative Disorders. This was a truly amazing article. This video goes together with an article and letter from The Plural Association. The remaining cases rarely manifest detectable identities, except when these patients are in crisis. You might sometimes go catatonic or become paralyzed without a medical cause. For dissociative identity disorder (DID) to develop, there is usually chronic trauma in early childhood along with significant problems in the child-parent relationship. Ive come to find the youngest one is actually two who are fairly close in age. Probably not DID, maybe OSDD or BPD. Indeed, Spiegel et al (2011, p.841) point out the inherent flaws in the current diagnostic criteria for dissociative disorders and say: If the diagnostic criteria for dissociative identity disorder were changed to reflect the typical clinical presentation of DID (ie a complex dissociative presentation with no confirmed alter identities), these complex DDNOS patients would meet diagnostic criteria for DID. Most often, weve heard the idea of one person stepping back and the other stepping forward, a complete loss of control for one and a complete gain of control for the other. Answer 1 of 8: I'm flying from New York to Croatia (Zadar airport, ideally) in July. Our experience is less like switching places with a person, and more like becoming a different person. Total psychological, emotional and physical recall of events. Necessary cookies are absolutely essential for the website to function properly. But many symptoms may appear to be non-trauma-related, such as depression, substance abuse, eating disorders and anxiety. You might feel confused or distressed because you do not identify with the same age, gender, or species as your body. Passive influence can be described as intrusions from alters that are not currently prominent in the mind or using the body. Im sure that plenty of systems are already quite familiar with that feeling and theres no reason to continue spreading that within your own head. At least now I know. I grew, matured, had a career and a life. In other words, someone with OSDD has dissociative symptoms but they do not meet sufficient criteria to be diagnosed with either depersonalisation disorder, dissociative amnesia, dissociative fugue or dissociative identity disorder. There arent 1000s of things it could be. it quickly developed into them trying to traumatize me as much as possible to "break me" so they could "re-make" me as a person they'd want to have as their host. OSDD is from the DSM, P-DID is from the ICD. It works by converting the standard direct current supply, usually 24 volts, into two pulsed and out-of-phase signals. Dissociative Identity Disorder Information - First Person Plural My brain creates vague replicas of people and it feels as though I become them (and it can feel horribly intrusive, it seems to be mingled with something obsessive compulsive), have their face and ways of behaving, but I dont take over the identity or names, so this is possibly a different mechanism. What I find really hard though is when I'm faced with evidence of them actually having switched out and done things. Previously called MPD (Multiple Personality Disorder), this disorder is categorized by the action of switching . So partial amnesia and/or brain fog during a switch is still DID? DISSOCIATIVE IDENTITY DISORDER (previously known as Multiple Personality Disorder) is the most severe and chronic manifestation of dissociation, characterized by the presence of two or more distinct identities or personality states that recurrently take control of the individual's behavior, accompanied by an inability to recall important personal As you can imagine, OSDD-1, in either forms, is difficult to spot and can be a struggle to diagnose. In the end, bereft of emotions, self, body and identity, I lived. (source, 10:15). This is a scholarly article from Harvard College that tackles six beliefs about DID, why they are irrefutably myths, and how they are damaging. It was like I was somewhere else but physically and logically wasn't, and the sentence I had just said sounded like it came from somebody else, like i was hyperaware of how high it sounded. [Glossary] [Resources]. Back to the beginning of the mystery and its mulling around in my head again relentlessly! The Plural Association and The Alexandrite System have collaborated on an OSDD video in the past. Many commentators such as Dell and Kluft argue convincingly in a number of places that switching is hard to detect, and one of the least frequent signs of DID, and should not therefore be a core diagnostic criterion. yeah, i'm sure. Im here looking for answers, because its all so confusing. At first it was me and them. These alters protect the main identity from awareness of trauma. Instead of an alter switching to front, they can exert passive influence on the alter currently at front. so i guess i don't really have the space to care about their reasons for their behavior when i'm constantly feeling its consequences. I like your description DID NOS better than the more formal DDNOS or OSDD; it acknowledges theres fragmenting but not to a full degree. Because I only struggle to remember when recollecting, and there is plenty of downtime between events in my brain that I just dont remember at all, and my recollection is out of order. Welcome to /r/AskDID, the sister subreddit of /r/DID which focuses on those that wish to ask questions about Dissociative Identity Disorder (DID), Other Specified Dissociative Disorder (OSDD) etc. More common is amnesia for past trauma, although parts often seem to have memory for this. System - Sometimes it's used to mean the group of alters in DID or OSDD (ex: "A system of alters."). You might have difficulty being aware of your own symptoms or describing the severity of them. I think psychology is so huge that its hard for every therapist to know and recognize everything, especially because there are so many specializations. Alters might feel things likethose are the hosts parents, not mine.. As always, we encourage you and your System to follow your own truth, to soul search, to find words, labels, visions, theories and communities that arent only within your values but also match your lived experience and/or long term goals, so that you might find belonging and dont have to try to fit in. The alters within the system may have contradicting thoughts, preferences, and opinions. That of course is a myth, as the vast majority of people presenting for help with a dissociative disorder, as we have seen, have a diagnosis of OSDD. Most people who claim that they are endogenic OSDDID systems are: 1. I just had an alter front for the first time.jn years the other night on a super sleepless night. So not all information on this website might apply to your situation or be helpful to you; please, use caution. Thanks to this article, I can see how I overlap into both criteria which makes sense to not have an official diagnosis. Where EPs are also less autonomous and less likely to be out, these traumatised parts of the personality can end up being neglected or ignored: if a person with OSDD has non-distinctive traumatised parts of their personality, it can be harder to give them a voice and the time and space they need to bring their trauma to the fore, than it is for a clearly individuated EP with a name and age. For example, a system that has distinct members but does not switch would still be OSDD, despite not fitting into either A or B. I've had 2 non-switching alters for at least 9 years now. Of course they are not, and their experience is valid exactly because it is their experience. You should look into persecutor alters and the reasons they might exist. You might feel like you are invisible, two-dimensional, or a robot. We see the presence of these dissociative parts of the personality as really important, and of course it is the stand-out feature of DID, but we also recognise that parts develop in response to trauma and disorganised attachment, as do a whole range of other symptoms. These cookies will be stored in your browser only with your consent. Some indicators that a switch may be about to occur include the following: feeling "spacey", depersonalized, or derealized; blurred vision; feeling distanced or slowed down; feeling an alter's presence; or feeling like time is beginning to jump (indicating minor episodes of time loss). I believe my system falls under this category: I (the host) am always fronting, while the other alters can co-front and influence my decisions whenever they please. Press J to jump to the feed. Systems have completely different brain wiring from singletons because of the effects of early trauma. Rapid cycling, sometimes called rolledexing or carousel-switching, is when multiple alters are shoved to front in quick succession. Diagnostic And Statistical Manual Of Mental Disorders: Fifth Edition, Treating Trauma-related Dissociation: A Practical, Integrated Approach, Understanding and Treating Dissociative Identity Disorder: A Relational Approach, The Dissociative Identity Disorder Sourcebook, A Fractured Mind: My Life with Multiple Personality Disorder. Suzette Boon reports that OSDD actually involves the majority of people who seek treatment for a dissociative disorder (Boon et al, p.10). But mostly the books above ^. When I am all the way at the end of the scale I experience significant dissociation but never full amnesia. My current therapist isn't even trauma-informed, and the ones that are, here at least, are either mad expensive, don't work with dissociative disorders, or don't exist. You might have moments where you feel like you are in a dream or a fog. Only a body, nothing important. You might experience other conditions without any medical cause, such as pseudoseizures. All the same thing, yet each different, all part of a whole, yet still separate. If two alters choose to switch with one another, they usually have some degree of, It should be kept in mind that some systems use the term trigger to refer to both positive and negative stimuli that can catch an alter's attention. (DNI: If you have been blocked, please do not interact. As someone who lives in the States, but plans to move to the UK at the earliest availability, this also helped urge us to get our treatment while we can. You might sometimes experience the loss of a physical function without a medical cause, such as your sight, hearing, speech, or feelings of hunger. And in the UK, medical staff tend to prefer the diagnostic manual known as the ICD-10 (International Classification of Diseases, version 10) published by the World Health Organisation which is notoriously backward in addressing dissociative disorders. It is rarely accompanied by an alter changing what clothing the system is wearing, announcing themselves in public, or extreme whiplashes in behavior or personality. A common identifier in the OSDD community is the idea of OSDD-1a and OSDD-1b, the theoretically two boxes that OSDD systems fall into, depending on what criteria they dont quite match. More information is provided through Dell's work on theMultidimensional Inventory of Dissociation (MID). Its clear to me that there is a spectrum of these things. According to the American Psychological Association, the predominant feature of OSDD is: presentations in which symptoms characteristic of a dissociative disorder that cause clinically significant distress or impairment in social, occupational, or other important areas of functioning predominate, but do not meet the full criteria for any of the disorders in the dissociative disorder class. You might feel numbed to or detached from your body parts, thoughts, emotions, sense of agency, or even your entire self. You might struggle to retell what your childhood or adolescence was like. During break, I was in a zoom group where we were talking about what brought us there and what we hoped to learn. It can be very exciting to be able to get to know a new person thats probably going to end up being an important figure in your life! I also struggle to name my alters because all together we make up who I am and none of them were ever acknowledged by the world, and to a point even myself, for so long. For example, a system that has distinct members but does not switch would still be OSDD, despite not fitting into either A or B. A body with multiple identities is known as a system. One of them, called Mind, was a very mean voice in my head for all those years. Ive gone through quite some trouble because it wasnt recognized during therapy, because it has been painful and scary to go through intensely separated moods with a change of behavior, sometimes hating/repressing the other mood while I was in a certain mood (manly+fearless, feminine+empathetic, fearful+child-like, feeling like someone else), and not understanding what my mind was doing, nor any psychologist until I found someone who did kind of understand but they started messing with my head and not recognizing the painful traumas associated with people being intrusive and manipulative. Thanks. The most common metaphors that tend to get used for what it feels like to switch are very DID-centric. Dissociation is weird. In OSDD-1, severe childhood trauma causes different identities, known as alternate states of consciousness (alters) to form. But at the end of the day they are just like you. It allowed us to finally explore our system on our own terms without worrying about any sorts of theoretical rules about how we should be. But what is also there is that when, for example in conversation with a psychologist in the past, when he indicates that its just mood switching, I kind of start to feel hurt and unvalidated, as if parts of me, or moods want to be acknowledged separately, my angry mood gets angry because Im not the vulnerable self or Im not that weak, fearful, kind side of myself. Everyone in your system has a right to be there. There might be alters who struggle to communicate with other alters or refuse to do so. I went insane as a 6 year old male child. Maybe I will soon have a few more tools to work with. Although perhaps the most well-known feature of dissociative identity disorder (DID), switching occurs less often than passive influence or other internal manifestations of dissociated parts. Finally, triggered switches are not desired by any of the alters involved and occur when a stimulus has been registered that forces out an alter who can better handle it. This is certainly the view of a number of experts in the field. Modes in BPD don't have a separate sense of self. I know how you feel, believe me. It would cause misunderstandings as I would present myself as very angry and fearless, laughing at everything and at another moment I would be extremely fearful and could not handle anything that would stir up trauma again. Part of recovery it is. For others, it may be validating to recognise that the distinguishing line between OSDD and DID is largely arbitrary, and to subsume the diagnosis of dissociative identity disorder into their own self-definition of being a dissociative survivor. Both can be helped by similar approaches to therapy which encourage neuronal repair and result in brain growth such as increased hippocampal volume. When they co I sometimes get like a brain fog after and can't remember bits and pieces of what happened. Wait, is whole possible now? Reading this has reassured me that even though my system and selves are not quite as separate as those with DID (although one is) they are still valid. So what is the solution? I have experiences like this when the one who normally "drives" gets booted out of the driver's seat when another one of us has such overwhelming emotions that they take over. Check this PDF for the symptoms of C-PTSD. My therapist described it as a dissociative mechanism, but has not labeled it exactly. 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